Modern Scrubbing Technology - Why fossil fuels are not extinct..

[Billy_Bob Patriot Master]

Why are we villainizing Fossil Fuels?

Let's go back to my old stomping grounds in Utah, back in the late 1970's and early 1980's to a place called Dugway Proving Grounds and Tooele Army Depot South Area. Also known as the Chemical Munitions Disposal Site. The US army was actively meeting our Verzi Treaty obligations and destroying all of the US chemical munitions stockpiles. The Science was new and chemical engineers were building scrubbers that would allow us to burn these munitions, capture the carcinogenic particles and keep the surrounding populace safe from a chemical release that could kill millions.   

Part of one of my jobs was maintaining "Bubblers". These were chemical detection units around the areas where munitions were stored and or destroyed. We also maintained stack release units. These units measured the particulate matter being emitted from the burn units down to the particle.

The particulate levels were monitored so closely that even minor deviation shut down systems for repair. We learned how to scrub our outputs from any burn unit to remove 99.9997% of particulate matter. This technology today is used on almost every coal fired plant in the US. Plants in the UK, Australia, and many other first world countries use it to remove the particulate matter from the exhaust stacks of coal and oil-fired plants. It is the reason that we have removed acid rain from our equatorial forests.

This technology is employed on magnesium manufacturing, Metal manufacturing, copper manufacturing and many other industries. The US has made so many leaps on bounds in particulate reductions that the use of Oil, Gas and Coal are as clean as nuclear plants in the output of the cooling towers. 99.991% of the emissions from coal fired plants and other scrubbed industries is WATER VAPOR.  Long gone are the ash trials and dead foliage from sulfur and other toxins.

If your worried about CO2 emissions, you should not be.  The LOG of CO2 shows that the warming we would see from that trace gas alone is but half of the base log.  Our atmosphere is acting as a dampener to CO2 emissions. The exact opposite of the AGW hypothesis indicates should happen.  How could we get this so wrong as scientists?  Our modeling tells the tale. Every GCM fails empirical evaluation without exception by a factor of no less than 10.  Our modeling overestimates the warming by a factor of ten.

So why are we in the US shooting our economy in the head with the Green New Deal?  It has no merit and no need to be done, so why are we being forced to go down a road that has no benefit to man or our planet? 

As an atmospheric physicist I want to know what it is they are thinking.

[Billy_Bob Patriot Master]

For further information --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tooele_Che...weapons%20.

--> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dugway_Proving_Ground

[Billy_Bob Patriot Master]

Another major emitter and cause of acid rain was Kennecott Copper Corporation in SLC (Magna, Ut). IT was one of the first major emitters to employ scrubbing technologies. The smelting operation went from baron hill sides around the Great Salt Lake to foliage covered and wildlife supporting in the span of 20 years. We have proof positive that this technology works, and it works very well.

Kennecott Garfield Smelter Stack - Wikipedia

[Billy_Bob Patriot Master]

I want to know why the Biden Administration is ignoring this technology.

There is no reason for us to be bowing to foreign governments for oil and coal to operate our lives.  The CO2 lie has been debunked and it drives nothing in our climate system. SO why are we still going down this self-destructive road?  Can someone explain this to me?

[Sunsettommy]

I want to know why the Biden Administration is ignoring this technology.

There is no reason for us to be bowing to foreign governments for oil and coal to operate out lives.  The CO2 lie has been debunked and it drives nothing in our climate system. SO why are we still going down this self-destructive road?  Can someone explain this to me?

They are LEFTIST seeking total power any way they can.

[Sunsettommy]

Another major emitter and cause of acid rain was Kennecott Copper Corporation in SLC (Magna, Ut). IT was one of the first major emitters to employ scrubbing technologies. The smelting operation went from baron hill sides around the Great Salt Lake to foliage covered and wildlife supporting in the span of 20 years. We have proof positive that this technology works, and it works very well.

Kennecott Garfield Smelter Stack - Wikipedia

That is an excellent example of how effective those scrubbers are too bad Salt Like is slowly dying as the city is drinking it up over time.

I was born there.......

[Billy_Bob Patriot Master]

Another major emitter and cause of acid rain was Kennecott Copper Corporation in SLC (Magna, Ut). IT was one of the first major emitters to employ scrubbing technologies. The smelting operation went from baron hill sides around the Great Salt Lake to foliage covered and wildlife supporting in the span of 20 years. We have proof positive that this technology works, and it works very well.

Kennecott Garfield Smelter Stack - Wikipedia

That is an excellent example of how effective those scrubbers are too bad Salt Like is slowly dying as the city is drinking it up over time.

I was born there....... 

Utah is about to get hit with a wet cycle. It was dry in 73-80 where the lake was a little higher than it is today and then by 1983 it was overflowing...  I remember the great Salt Lake pump... That was one huge monster to push water back to the central lake from the flats.  Spent a lot of years in that region.

[Sunsettommy]

Another major emitter and cause of acid rain was Kennecott Copper Corporation in SLC (Magna, Ut). IT was one of the first major emitters to employ scrubbing technologies. The smelting operation went from baron hill sides around the Great Salt Lake to foliage covered and wildlife supporting in the span of 20 years. We have proof positive that this technology works, and it works very well.

Kennecott Garfield Smelter Stack - Wikipedia

That is an excellent example of how effective those scrubbers are too bad Salt Like is slowly dying as the city is drinking it up over time.

I was born there....... 

Utah is about to get hit with a wet cycle. It was dry in 73-80 where the lake was a little higher than it is today and then by 1983 it was overflowing...  I remember the great Salt Lake pump... That was one huge monster to push water back to the central lake from the flats.  Spent a lot of years in that region.

I missed all that since I escaped in 1961 to couple smaller obscure towns in Utah finally got to Montana is 1962....

[Billy_Bob Patriot Master]

Every new coal fired plant in the US employed this kind of technology up and until Biden killed their construction.  The Green Raw Deal is a boondoggle that is about to implode massively.   It is far cheaper to upgrade our current plants than to go totally GREEN-electric and far more reliable than wind and solar are.  The wind stops and solar is susceptible to clouds, dust and changes on our sun.  In 2009 we lost 10% of the power that PV arrays were generating due to a shift in solar output. Windmills self-destruct in about 5 years now and we are not making great strides in their reliability.  These forms of energy are not long-term fixes due to their unreliability and susceptibility to outside forces.

As it makes no scientific sense to do this it must be a pocket lining money issue.  

The US employed these technologies on their own and used Natural Gas to lower the particulates in our air.  Why is Biden unilaterally killing these proven technologies without a reliable replacement?

[Billy_Bob Patriot Master]

The Garfield stack in Utah is a prime example of scrubbing tech and how well it works.  The capture systems allow them to collect sulfuric acid, mercury and other particulates from the smelting operation. 99.992% of what leaves that stack is water vapor.  It worked so well that power companies began using it to remove the particulates from power plants back in the 1980's. They were a mandated piece of equipment for all new plants.  They too now emit very low particulates in that same 99.992 range. There was no ecological or scientific reason to kill these plants since that self-imposed regulation was put in place and even older power plants were being upgraded..

[Morpheus]

Let's go back to my old stomping grounds in Utah, back in the late 1970's and early 1980's to a place called Dugway Proving Grounds and Tooele Army Depot South Area. Also known as the Chemical Munitions Disposal Site. The US army was actively meeting our Verzi Treaty obligations and destroying all of the US chemical munitions stockpiles. The Science was new and chemical engineers were building scrubbers that would allow us to burn these munitions, capture the carcinogenic particles and keep the surrounding populace safe from a chemical release that could kill millions.

Huh, you and I have similar trajectories... I worked at Johnston Atoll Chemical Agent Demilitarization System (JACADS).

The PAS (Pollution Abatement System) we used was just a gigantic exhaust stack (about 16' diameter) which was filled with small perforated metal cylinders. 50% sodium hypochlorite was misted down into the stack, and the metal cylinders ensured that the spray was distributed evenly as it fell through the stack.

That 50% sodium hypochlorite would neutralize any nerve agent or mustard gas that somehow escaped the furnaces being used to demilitarize the munitions.

At the bottom of the stack, the sodium hypochlorite brine was pumped over to the Brine Reduction Area... they bought a couple of powdered milk production machines from Nestle... each had two gigantic rollers (think about a steamroller's front 'wheel'... they were about that big) into which steam was injected to heat them. The two rollers were placed so as they rolled, they just barely touched. Then the 50% sodium hypochlorite brine was dribbled into the gap between the two rollers.

The brine would stick to the rollers and the heat would evaporate all the water, then as the roller rolled, there was a gigantic blade which scraped that powdered brine off the roller and into a channel with an auger, which augered the powdered brine into blue plastic 55 gallon drums.

After the drums were full (they weighed about 450 pounds each), we'd use the forklift to remove them from their stand, weigh them, then label them, secure the top onto the drum, then strap them onto a pallet with 3 other drums. Then they'd get put on a truck and moved over to the port, where the pallets were placed on a ship. They were then shipped to California to be buried in a landfill.

We used ACAMS (Automatic Continuous Air Monitoring System) machines to monitor for nerve agent release.

[Billy_Bob Patriot Master]

Let's go back to my old stomping grounds in Utah, back in the late 1970's and early 1980's to a place called Dugway Proving Grounds and Tooele Army Depot South Area. Also known as the Chemical Munitions Disposal Site. The US army was actively meeting our Verzi Treaty obligations and destroying all of the US chemical munitions stockpiles. The Science was new and chemical engineers were building scrubbers that would allow us to burn these munitions, capture the carcinogenic particles and keep the surrounding populace safe from a chemical release that could kill millions.

Huh, you and I have similar trajectories... I worked at Johnston Atoll Chemical Agent Demilitarization System (JACADS).

The PAS (Pollution Abatement System) we used was just a gigantic exhaust stack (about 16' diameter) which was filled with small perforated metal cylinders. 50% sodium hypochlorite was misted down into the stack, and the metal cylinders ensured that the spray was distributed evenly as it fell through the stack.

That 50% sodium hypochlorite would neutralize any nerve agent or mustard gas that somehow escaped the furnaces being used to demilitarize the munitions.

At the bottom of the stack, the sodium hypochlorite brine was pumped over to the Brine Reduction Area... they bought a couple of powdered milk production machines from Nestle... each had two gigantic rollers (think about a steamroller's front 'wheel'... they were about that big) into which steam was injected to heat them. The two rollers were placed so as they rolled, they just barely touched. Then the 50% sodium hypochlorite brine was dribbled into the gap between the two rollers.

The brine would stick to the rollers and the heat would evaporate all the water, then as the roller rolled, there was a gigantic blade which scraped that powdered brine off the roller and into a channel with an auger, which augered the powdered brine into blue plastic 55 gallon drums.

After the drums were full (they weighed about 450 pounds each), we'd use the forklift to remove them from their stand, weigh them, then label them, secure the top onto the drum, then strap them onto a pallet with 3 other drums. Then they'd get put on a truck and moved over to the port, where the pallets were placed on a ship. They were then shipped to California to be buried in a landfill.

We used ACAMS (Automatic Continuous Air Monitoring System) machines to monitor for nerve agent release.

We have the technology to clean up most every chemical and particle from the air. What I don't understand is why it is being ignored at the peril of millions of lives should we begin to go into an Ice Age we are overdue for.