Trump or DeSantis in 2024?

[Ronald Lambert]

This is going to be a problem, or at least a difficult decision. Former President Donald Trump truly earned re-election by his stellar performance during his presidency, but despite the great popularity he has with a large portion of Republicans and Conservatives, he is also deeply disliked by a huge number of people. It is fair to say that a large part of the reason why the anticipated "Red Wave" fell far short of expectations, was the extreme dislike many people have for Trump.

The dislike for him (besides the success of his policies which contradict their partisan agendas) is because of the same reason I preferred Ted Cruz in the primaries. Trump is too uncouth. I did not like the way he denigrated Cruz' wife, and I was also recently repelled by his gratuitous name-calling at Ron DeSantis, calling him "Ron Desanctimonious." 

Granted, it probably takes a tough man to endure all the persecution and misrepresentation that has been directed at him by so many unprincipled opponents. But I still must hold to the objective value of self-restraint and respectful courtesy. The leader of Western Civilization should himself at the very least be civilized! 

I have to admit that at present, I look on DeSantis with a lot of favor for 2024. There will undoubtedly be a terribly divisive fight in the Republican Party, mainly because Trump can be counted on to continue being uncouth, and because he rightfully feels that he did earn re-election by the supreme competence he exhibited during his presidency. The ideal solution might be for Trump to be the presidential candidate in 2024 with DeSantis as his vice-presidential running mate. Then DeSantis would be in a great shape to run for president in 2028 and 2032. This would provide conservative, competent leadership for 12 straight years. But would such a rapprochement be possible if too many hard feelings are generated during the competition for the Republican nomination leading up to 2024? Ted Cruz apparently was able to reconcile with Trump, but it took a while. It was not immediate. Ted Cruz would have been the ideal vice-presidential running mate for Trump, but that would not have been possible. It wasn't until Trump demonstrated his superb competency over the course of a few years that Cruz could be reconciled to Trump and became the ardent supporter that he has been lately.

I will make this a poll. Of course, it is highly unlikely that Trump would settle for being the vice-presidential candidate. His ego is too big, in my opinion, and he would feel that he has earned first place on the ticket.

[Sunsettommy]

That is my biggest concern with Trump is his own big mouth where he crosses a line into injuring people who shouldn't be attacked at all which is making him a growing liability with the Republican Party.

[Ronald Lambert]

Another good thing I have to observe about former President Donald Trump: He has done an admirable job raising his children, to not only  be competent in business, and also not be drug addicts or corrupt in any way. Compare that to President Biden's grievously corrupt son, Hunter. None of the Trumps seem to be abusers of alcoholic beverages, or even smoke. Hunter fails enormously in those areas. We cannot really compare DeSantis' children, since they are so young (not even teens).

DeSantis Family:

   

[Billy_Bob Systems Administration]

Trump is my pick.  His "mean tweets" exposed how Political Correctness has damaged out ability to say what must be said.  Most of the people taking offense to his wording are people who have been sheltered from real conversations for most of their lives. 

What Biden and his clowns have done is destroy the US in 2 very short years. The "mean tweets" were necessary in most respects.

Being offended is a personal choice. It's one the hearing person makes.  Facts do not care about your feelings.  Time for many of these people to grow up.

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A Trump/DeSantis ticket would be unstoppable at this point.  Let's see how the primary shakes out.. Tuesday next week is going to tell a lot about how this is going to shape up.

[Ronald Lambert]

Trump is my pick.  His "mean tweets" exposed how Political Correctness has damaged out ability to say what must be said.  Most of the people taking offense to his wording are people who have been sheltered from real conversations for most of their lives. 

What Biden and his clowns have done is destroy the US in 2 very short years. The "mean tweets" were necessary in most respects.

Being offended is a personal choice. It's one the hearing person makes.  Facts do not care about your feelings.  Time for many of these people to grow up.

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A Trump/DeSantis ticket would be unstoppable at this point.  Let's see how the primary shakes out.. Tuesday next week is going to tell a lot about how this is going to shape up.

My criticism of Donald Trump is not that he tells the truth, but that he says insulting things without any provocation--like his sudden lashing out at Ron DeSantis by calling him "Ron DeSanctimonious." Where did that come from? This was right after DeSantis' foresighted and clear-minded dealing with Hurricane Ian. Being coarse and insulting out of the clear blue is not in any way a virtue. It is in fact uncivilized. And that matters for someone who would be the leader of Western Civilization. He also insulted Ted Cruz' wife Heidi back in the 2016 campaign, when there was no call for attacking Cruz' family, and his wife is actually a decent Christian lady. (She is a daughter of Seventh-Day Adventist missionaries.) Trump was apparently defensive because of the comparison some were making between Heidi and Trump's own wife, who had posed nude as a model for a magazine in the past. Trump was not content merely to point out that Melania spoke five languages and was also a businesswoman--he had to attack Heidi for no reason, and imply there was something dark in her past (because of a temporary estrangement from Ted years ago). A good man would never do this. It used to be that politicians in America respected the policy of never attacking an opponent's family. Until Trump, this was generally regarded as out of bounds.

Heidi and Ted Cruz and daughters in 2016:

          

[Doug1943]

There are two ways to approach politics. Most of us probably do a bit of both.

One, very common, is: "I'll just do and say whatever pleases ME. If I think something is right, that's what I'll support, regardless of any consequences. Politics is an extension of my expressing myself." 

The Libertarian Party is the perfect expression of this: they are opposed to all forms of socialism, including the National Parks, which they would auction off to the highest bidder.  They would close down Social Security and Medicare. (And they're right: these are all examples of socialism.)

If a conservative Republican faces a hard-Left Democrat on the ballot, the Libertarians will also try to get on the ballot, and if the votes for them mean the Democrat wins, then ... so be it. Principle is principle.

The second, not so commons, is: "Politics is war. I'll do whatever helps my side win, subject to the constraints of fundamental morality. If something is not pleasant to me, but helps the patriots win, I'll do it."  It's a cold-blooded way of looking at the world, but it's what we have to do in a war.  (In an ambush, you open fire when commanded to, not when you feel like it.)

(In a war, unlike a football match, if the other side wins, there is no repeat match. American politics used to be like football games -- if you lost, there was always next year. But now, if we lose, and keep losing, America is going to go down: not next year, but within the lifetimes of many people now alive.)

Mr Trump should think like this: the destruction of the Democrats will be my greatest triumph. Will my candidacy -- as opposed to that of Ron DeSantis -- advance their destruction, or not?  Who is more likely to win against the Democrats?

[Ronald Lambert]

I just received this email from Newsmax:

"There are growing calls against former President Donald Trump running for reelection after the results of the midterm elections, and the latest YouGov poll shows Florida GOP Gov. Ron DeSantis now a slight favorite among registered Republicans.

"DeSantis is drawing 40.9% support compared to Trump's 39.4%, a 1.5-point edge that lies within the margin of error and makes this hypothetical 2024 GOP nominee choice a virtual tie. There were 11.6% undecided and another 8.1% chose "neither."

"But GOP-leaning independents choose DeSantis (42%) by 7 percentage points over Trump (35%), which is outside the margin of error."

In reply to Donald Trump's unwarranted attacks against him, DeSantis simply said: "Read the polls" (from election night, where DeSantis won over his opponent by 20 percentage points, and flipped the long-time democrat counties of Miami-Dade and Palm Beach to vote a majority Republican. He won a majority of Hispanics, Women, and Independents, in addition to the regular Republican base.

The article went on to say: "The Economist/YouGov polled 1,500 Americans Nov. 9-11, including 413 self-identified Republicans and GOP leaners. The total sample has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points."

Trump/DeSantis:

   

[Ronald Lambert]

Well, Donald Trump made it official--he is a candidate for President in 2024. He is certainly well qualified to run on his record. I just wish he were more civilized, and not so bound and determined to alienate everyone.

And Newsmax has officially called the 218th seat in the House for Republicans, giving them the majority. So Nancy Pelosi will have to give up the gavel, and no longer stand as third in line for the Presidency. I hope they launch serious investigations into Hunter Biden and the entire Biden crime family, along with the outrageous corruption of the DOJ and FBI. And Hillary Clinton, while they're at it. A number of Republicans have said they don't want to do that. But it is high time the law was enforced and the corrupt traitors were all held accountable.

[Sunsettommy]

I doubt DeSantis will run for the White House as he just got reelected as Governor better to wait four more years to cement his position and avoid Trump in the meantime.

The House needs to REVOKE the unPatriot Act as it is one of the reasons why the FBI and DOJ are spying on us so much.

They need to investigate Biden on why he is so determined to prop up the Ukraine/Russian war and fight off a peace negotiation too he just proposed one more round of sending many more billions to corrupt Ukraine who doesn't deserve it and isn't important to America let NATO and Europe deal with the mess in their own backyard.

[Billy_Bob Systems Administration]

Let me throw in my 2 cents.  

DeSantis will not run for POTUS.  He is making inroads with minorities very well and he needs a few more years to cement that into his platform.

Cruz has a solid base. He also has legal training in and around SCOTUS.  He is damn smart but lacks the business background that will be needed to put this nation back together.

Trump has the proven track record of putting the nation on the right track.  He is crass and picks fights sometimes that he doesn't need to get into.  Trump hates politically correct speech as it stops you from saying things that must be said.  This is taken as being uncaring and crass. Trump exposed the problem with PC speech and why it is a threat to our republic.  Being offended is not a crime, it is a choice by the hearing person.  Blaming trump for the actions of another is pointless.  

I would love to see a Trump/Cruz ticket. Putting those two strengths together can be the ticket to beat all of the field of players.

[mike_tx]

I voted for the ticket.

[Ronald Lambert]

Let me throw in my 2 cents.  

DeSantis will not run for POTUS.  He is making inroads with minorities very well and he needs a few more years to cement that into his platform.

Cruz has a solid base. He also has legal training in and around SCOTUS.  He is damn smart but lacks the business background that will be needed to put this nation back together.

Trump has the proven track record of putting the nation on the right track.  He is crass and picks fights sometimes that he doesn't need to get into.  Trump hates politically correct speech as it stops you from saying things that must be said.  This is taken as being uncaring and crass. Trump exposed the problem with PC speech and why it is a threat to our republic.  Being offended is not a crime, it is a choice by the hearing person.  Blaming trump for the actions of another is pointless.  

I would love to see a Trump/Cruz ticket. Putting those two strengths together can be the ticket to beat all of the field of players.

I like the idea of a Trump-Cruz ticket. I supported Cruz in 2016. DeSantis would be wise to wait until 2028. Except then he would be competing in the primaries against whomever Trump picks for his Veep running mate in 2024.

[Ronald Lambert]

Newsmax has reported:

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Former President Donald Trump holds a 30-point lead in the race for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, according to an Emerson College survey.

Trump has 55% support in a hypothetical 2024 GOP primary, with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis coming in second with 25%, the Emerson College poll found.

No other potential Republican candidate reaches double-digit support.

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https://www.newsmax.com/politics/donald-...010248w0fv

But what about Independents, and other voters? Will any Democrats vote for Trump? Maybe. Trump certainly EARNED re-election! Especially when you compare him to anyone the Democrats have to offer. At this point, a vote for Biden (or Hillary) would literally be a vote for the END of the USA.

[Billy_Bob Systems Administration]

Let me throw in my 2 cents.  

DeSantis will not run for POTUS.  He is making inroads with minorities very well and he needs a few more years to cement that into his platform.

Cruz has a solid base. He also has legal training in and around SCOTUS.  He is damn smart but lacks the business background that will be needed to put this nation back together.

Trump has the proven track record of putting the nation on the right track.  He is crass and picks fights sometimes that he doesn't need to get into.  Trump hates politically correct speech as it stops you from saying things that must be said.  This is taken as being uncaring and crass. Trump exposed the problem with PC speech and why it is a threat to our republic.  Being offended is not a crime, it is a choice by the hearing person.  Blaming trump for the actions of another is pointless.  

I would love to see a Trump/Cruz ticket. Putting those two strengths together can be the ticket to beat all of the field of players.

I like the idea of a Trump-Cruz ticket. I supported Cruz in 2016. DeSantis would be wise to wait until 2028. Except then he would be competing in the primaries against whomever Trump picks for his Veep running mate in 2024.

Whomever Trump chooses will make a huge difference in the 2024 election cycle.  The left heads are already exploding over Trump running.  The special counsel needs to be impeached on day one of the new congress for his criminal conduct with Lois Lerner.

[GreatAmerican]

Harvard Poll: Donald Trump Outperforms Ron DeSantis Against Joe Biden and Kamala Harris
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/...la-harris/

Former President Donald Trump outperformed Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis ® in hypothetical 2024 presidential matchups against President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris, A new Harvard CAPS/Harris poll found.

In a potential rematch against Biden, Trump is up two points at 44 percent, compared to Biden’s 42 percent. Despite some Republicans’ calls for DeSantis to primary Trump, the Harvard poll found that DeSantis is tied with Biden at 43 percent.